andn a good economy, it helps us get a job. the's a reason that tuition continues to ris parents and kidsee there's a real value to having a degree by your name. i think we've got to recognize it's not the education. we get something entirely different of vlue from going to college. >> mike, there's another reason why collegeuition is going up, and that's the government, right? >> well, that's ght. first of all, it sound like john and i shared the same type of college experience. but yes, you'rebsolutely rig. the reason why fewer graduates are earning a return onheir investment or their parents' investment is because government subsidies have raised the tuition of college. and at the same time, david, this is the worst economic recovery we've had snce the depression. so it's haer to earn that return. >> but steve forbes, even if a down economy, and we a growin at anemic rates, the mart still provides some answers, doesn't it? >> it does, david. and what we have here says more about our dysfunctional government than it does abou